do r7/r8 shields still drop in Tyria? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

manitoba1073 · Feb 14, 2008, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

I have no idea what those screen shots are suppose to prove I can do the same thing with any of my req 7 and dual dmg reduction shields...

Its a SS of exactly what it looks like. its not a old SS either as you can see his BMP weapons in it. However the only thing it dont show is when or where it dropped and I plan on asking him just that when he gets online.

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

manitoba1073, once again you have absolutely no proofs of req7 still dropping but you are still pushing the topic.

Once again so are you pushing that they dont exist. So really whats your point other than trolling. Guess there really isnt one.

kerpall · Feb 14, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

R7's drop from mostly tyria? How many full outposts (other than hot springs, and other popular 55 routes) do you see full of farmers? Just like the Swamp club. The swamp club is rare, so if 1/5000 people a day get one, then thats 1 every few days. but if only 10 people play in that explorable a day, that makes it seem much,much,much more rarer. And with that little people farming them, the odds of anyone getting one are very slim.

until Anet announces "No More of these <item name here> items" , i'm going to assume that simply less people farm that place, making drop rate much rarer.

(although i do believe that the duel mods are gone)

Summarized: More people farm that place = more of these "Rares" turning up every week
Deserted outpost = Getting one of these "Rares" is highly unlikely, and may present itself as "impossible". But i'm sure if people could farm (Hells Precipice), there would be more (Swamp clubs) floating around.

EDIT: this is quote im basing reply against:

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

I strongly believe they don't drop anymore based on the supply and demand concept as seen in the high end forum. I own quite a few req 7 items and buy them as often as I can yet with each passing month fewer and fewer are for sale along with those for sale are ones just being passed around since I know quite a few of the other collectors. I can't state this as 100% fact they don't drop anymore but its a pretty good observation that suggests they do not drop anymore.

spun ducky · Feb 14, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Its a SS of exactly what it looks like. its not a old SS either as you can see his BMP weapons in it. However the only thing it dont show is when or where it dropped and I plan on asking him just that when he gets online.

Once again so are you pushing that they dont exist. So really whats your point other than trolling. Guess there really isnt one.

I can take a SS of several of my Req 7 items in inventory with BMP weapons and heroes etc doesn't mean they dropped recently so I will say it again prove that they drop or stop posting this bs. I also wouldn't mind being proven wrong but so far I would say my hypothesis seems to play out far more accurate than your claims.

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Originally Posted by kerpall

R7's drop from mostly tyria? How many full outposts (other than hot springs, and other popular 55 routes) do you see full of farmers? Just like the Swamp club. The swamp club is rare, so if 1/5000 people a day get one, then thats 1 every few days. but if only 10 people play in that explorable a day, that makes it seem much,much,much more rarer. And with that little people farming them, the odds of anyone getting one are very slim.

until Anet announces "No More of these <item name here> items" , i'm going to assume that simply less people farm that place, making drop rate much rarer.

(although i do believe that the duel mods are gone)

Summarized: More people farm that place = more of these "Rares" turning up every week
Deserted outpost = Getting one of these "Rares" is highly unlikely, and may present itself as "impossible". But i'm sure if people could farm (Hells Precipice), there would be more (Swamp clubs) floating around.

EDIT: this is quote im basing reply against:

I personally get swamp clubs occasionally but I do chest running in non standard areas that I knew in the past and still to this day know they drop from a certain location. I think a counter point to what you are saying can be seen in which that with all this argument over whether or not they still drop someone would have posted a recent screen as proof since this is one of many threads made recently on this topic. if we go by all the evidence we have before us it pretty well points to them being removed from the drop table and for your information guildwars like many other mmorpg's has done undocumented updates.

manitoba1073 · Feb 14, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

I can take a SS of several of my Req 7 items in inventory with BMP weapons and heroes etc doesn't mean they dropped recently so I will say it again prove that they drop or stop posting this bs. I also wouldn't mind being proven wrong but so far I would say my hypothesis seems to play out far more accurate than your claims.

yeap your right about faking SS anyone can do that. That was why I put that thread n the farming section like I did so that people like you can get your own evidence but the retarded flamers got it closed instead of getting banned like they should have. Even if people do post SS no ones really going to actually believe it till it drops for them. Ive seen one drop for me so it shows your claims as BS so how about you stop before getting the OP's thread locked for the flaming and trolling. Im waiting for your proof that anet stopped them. As was pointed out by the post before yours I think you need to read that one alittle more closely. I even showed why they are even more rarer in later campaigns and the expansion. However you are allowed to believe what you want.

spun ducky · Feb 14, 2008, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

yeap your right about faking SS anyone can do that. That was why I put that thread n the farming section like I did so that people like you can get your own evidence but the retarded flamers got it closed instead of getting banned like they should have. Even if people do post SS no ones really going to actually believe it till it drops for them. Ive seen one drop for me so it shows your claims as BS so how about you stop before getting the OP's thread locked for the flaming and trolling. Im waiting for your proof that anet stopped them. As was pointed out by the post before yours I think you need to read that one alittle more closely. I even showed why they are even more rarer in later campaigns and the expansion. However you are allowed to believe what you want.

I like how you claim that I have no proof as I said I had no absolute proof I was going by observations that suggest they do not drop anymore. I unlike you stated a very clear theory as to why they don't drop anymore while your statement is a simple I had one drop for me but oh I forgot there is absolutely no proof. The situation you are creating is hear say unlike me stating my theory backed up with observations and possible reasons behind said thought.

manitoba1073 · Feb 14, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by spun ducky

I like how you claim that I have no proof as I said I had no absolute proof I was going by observations that suggest they do not drop anymore. I unlike you stated a very clear theory as to why they don't drop anymore while your statement is a simple I had one drop for me but oh I forgot there is absolutely no proof. The situation you are creating is hear say unlike me stating my theory backed up with observations and possible reasons behind said thought.

On the contary I stated quite clearly in my thread that got closed and in the other q7 thread, maybe if you go read both threads you may learn something.

Caveat Emptor · Feb 14, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

yeap your right about faking SS anyone can do that. That was why I put that thread n the farming section like I did so that people like you can get your own evidence but the retarded flamers got it closed instead of getting banned like they should have. Even if people do post SS no ones really going to actually believe it till it drops for them. Ive seen one drop for me so it shows your claims as BS so how about you stop before getting the OP's thread locked for the flaming and trolling. Im waiting for your proof that anet stopped them. As was pointed out by the post before yours I think you need to read that one alittle more closely. I even showed why they are even more rarer in later campaigns and the expansion. However you are allowed to believe what you want.

Sorry, but the burden of proof in this debate falls on you. You've not offered any proof - only anecdotal evidence ('Ive seen one drop for me' doesn't count as proof). You want people to believe you? Offer up a screen shot of one dropping sometime recently.

N E D M · Feb 14, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Req 7 weapons / shields with max stats have not dropped since early factions

Omega Precept · Feb 14, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

I have not had a req 7 drop in sometime, but I did sell a req 7 Truncheon (gold max damage)to the merch because someone on GWguru told me it was worth nothing. I was unaware these kind drops were so rare as per I have not been playing for a year.

Earth · Feb 14, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

If this turns into another one of those topics with manitoba1073 claming r7's still exist and everyone else saying they don't - I will close this.

Carry on now.

thehoweller · Feb 14, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

I will say with utter certainty that R7, max damage/defense items DO NOT drop anymore because of one reason...Manitoba defends the position. Not only does he "never" provide proof of their current existence, but he continually denies rational arguements in a purely religious fashion.

Like the last "R7s Still Exist" thread that Manitoba created, close this one. It's a dead issue that will "always" be proven wrong because they no longer drop. Give up the religious debate, zealots; until you can post a picture with a date and time that are more current than June 11th of 2006 (random picked date by me, shut up). Until then, please stop, Manitoba...It's senseless.

Past that, what else is there to say? R8 Max Items drop.

Ewa Kirch · Feb 14, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

The last r7 max gold shield I had drop was early factions (I still use it!). The last r7 gold I had drop was an axe last week in tyria - which got me very excited until I noticed it was non-max damage!

Akroma Angel NL · Feb 14, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

i have had a few r7 bought 2 items and got 1 myself ar req 7 fire offhand
but i think celstial shields can still drop r7 with normal mode
but dont know for sure, its not proven

The Meth · Feb 14, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

You can never prove that something doesn't drop anymore, short of asking whoever programmed the drop system to tell you its details. The fact is that maybe 1% of all guild wars players read these forums, for all we know the other 99% are blissfully unaware that the r7 item they just got is valuable and merched it. They are very, very rare. Lets leave it at that.

kerpall · Feb 15, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Most people nowadays farm in GW:en, and Nightfall. Inscribable items being more "popular" to farmers than non-inscr due to vast modding capabilities.

Very few people farm in Factions, and Prophecies. So you take a VERY rare drop rate, and Reduce the amount of people farming, what do you get? an Even More Rare drop rate. I have been convince that duel-mod shields no longer drop, but i do not see anyone here quoting Gaile, or anyone else associated with Guild Wars saying "r7's no longer exist as drops from mobs".

As far as I am concerned, with the Lack of farmers / chest runners in Prophecies and Factions , that is the reason fewer and fewer of these drops show up. Also like stated above, NOT everyone uses Guru. There are plenty of forums out there, and unless you want to translate all the German, French, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Polish, and etc forums.... I wouldn't be as to so ignorant as assuming "just because you didnt get one recently" that they no longer drop.

Maybe if people started to farm more of these older locations, more would drop? Just a thought. Because I think we are all smart enough to comprehend that: "If No One Farms There, How Can You Expect To Still Get r7 Drops?"...

Drops come from slain enemies and chests. If you do not slay those enemies or open those chests, you can not expect gold items to just appear in your inventory... -_-

Slaine · Feb 15, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

swamp clubs don't drop in Hells Precipice btw.

spun ducky · Feb 15, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Slaine

swamp clubs don't drop in Hells Precipice btw.

I might have the missions mixed up whats the one with the ghosts and the mursaat shrines at the end? It is that mission that a chest occasionally spawns near the ghosts which drops swamp clubs.

kerpall · Feb 15, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hells_precipice

theres a whole thread on this somewhere in guru... How swamp clubs drop from Portal Wraths, and the chests around them.

the_jos · Feb 15, 2008, 12:33 PM // 12:33

I can prove that req7 items dropped in Factions, since I have a max Factions offhand that does not drop in Tyria.
The thing I can't prove is the moment it dropped. Could be before or after the introduction of Nightfall.
I might have the screenshot somewhere, that might give me a hint.
But not sure on that.
And it does not prove anything to others.

There are several problems with proving this.
First, we don't know if they drop as long as there is no screenshot.
Second, there is a very limited number of areas the item could drop.
Third, lootscaling decreased the potential for drops, since those areas are mainly 6-person areas (I think).
Fourth, not many people that use forums play those areas anymore.
And even less pay attention to the white items, since they should be easiest to find. Most go straight to merchant.

In the end, we don't know atm.
It might be that they still drop, a screenshot will appear someday.
Or they might not drop anymore, so no screenshot will ever appear.
But no screenshot does not mean they don't drop anymore...

Crom The Pale · Feb 15, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

I personally think the only post needed now in this thread is a screen shot.

No other personal oppinions really matter at this piont, either you can post proof that they do indeed drop now or you can't.

Feb 14, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29	#28
N E D M Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Officer's Club Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]	Req 7 weapons / shields with max stats have not dropped since early factions

Feb 14, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08	#29
Omega Precept Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Guild: Graduates of Berkeley Profession: E/	I have not had a req 7 drop in sometime, but I did sell a req 7 Truncheon (gold max damage)to the merch because someone on GWguru told me it was worth nothing. I was unaware these kind drops were so rare as per I have not been playing for a year.

Feb 14, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#30
Earth Always Outnumbered Join Date: Jul 2006	If this turns into another one of those topics with manitoba1073 claming r7's still exist and everyone else saying they don't - I will close this. Carry on now.

Feb 14, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44	#31
thehoweller Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Somewhere NorthWest of Ranik Guild: Signet Of Shut Your [Face] Profession: W/	I will say with utter certainty that R7, max damage/defense items DO NOT drop anymore because of one reason...Manitoba defends the position. Not only does he "never" provide proof of their current existence, but he continually denies rational arguements in a purely religious fashion. Like the last "R7s Still Exist" thread that Manitoba created, close this one. It's a dead issue that will "always" be proven wrong because they no longer drop. Give up the religious debate, zealots; until you can post a picture with a date and time that are more current than June 11th of 2006 (random picked date by me, shut up). Until then, please stop, Manitoba...It's senseless. Past that, what else is there to say? R8 Max Items drop.

Feb 14, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50	#32
Ewa Kirch Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Europe Profession: N/Mo	The last r7 max gold shield I had drop was early factions (I still use it!). The last r7 gold I had drop was an axe last week in tyria - which got me very excited until I noticed it was non-max damage!

Feb 14, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03	#33
Akroma Angel NL Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: [LLL] Profession: W/	i have had a few r7 bought 2 items and got 1 myself ar req 7 fire offhand but i think celstial shields can still drop r7 with normal mode but dont know for sure, its not proven

Feb 14, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20	#34
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	You can never prove that something doesn't drop anymore, short of asking whoever programmed the drop system to tell you its details. The fact is that maybe 1% of all guild wars players read these forums, for all we know the other 99% are blissfully unaware that the r7 item they just got is valuable and merched it. They are very, very rare. Lets leave it at that.

Feb 15, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47	#35
kerpall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: I live in an Igloo in southern BC, neer US border. Guild: The Pig Pen [PIGZ] & We Aint All [NロロB] Profession: Mo/D	Most people nowadays farm in GW:en, and Nightfall. Inscribable items being more "popular" to farmers than non-inscr due to vast modding capabilities. Very few people farm in Factions, and Prophecies. So you take a VERY rare drop rate, and Reduce the amount of people farming, what do you get? an Even More Rare drop rate. I have been convince that duel-mod shields no longer drop, but i do not see anyone here quoting Gaile, or anyone else associated with Guild Wars saying "r7's no longer exist as drops from mobs". As far as I am concerned, with the Lack of farmers / chest runners in Prophecies and Factions , that is the reason fewer and fewer of these drops show up. Also like stated above, NOT everyone uses Guru. There are plenty of forums out there, and unless you want to translate all the German, French, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Polish, and etc forums.... I wouldn't be as to so ignorant as assuming "just because you didnt get one recently" that they no longer drop. Maybe if people started to farm more of these older locations, more would drop? Just a thought. Because I think we are all smart enough to comprehend that: "If No One Farms There, How Can You Expect To Still Get r7 Drops?"... Drops come from slain enemies and chests. If you do not slay those enemies or open those chests, you can not expect gold items to just appear in your inventory... -_-

Feb 15, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52	#36
Slaine Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2007	swamp clubs don't drop in Hells Precipice btw.

Feb 15, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17	#38
kerpall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: I live in an Igloo in southern BC, neer US border. Guild: The Pig Pen [PIGZ] & We Aint All [NロロB] Profession: Mo/D	http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hells_precipice theres a whole thread on this somewhere in guru... How swamp clubs drop from Portal Wraths, and the chests around them.

Feb 15, 2008, 12:33 PM // 12:33	#39
the_jos Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Hard Mode Legion [HML] Profession: N/	I can prove that req7 items dropped in Factions, since I have a max Factions offhand that does not drop in Tyria. The thing I can't prove is the moment it dropped. Could be before or after the introduction of Nightfall. I might have the screenshot somewhere, that might give me a hint. But not sure on that. And it does not prove anything to others. There are several problems with proving this. First, we don't know if they drop as long as there is no screenshot. Second, there is a very limited number of areas the item could drop. Third, lootscaling decreased the potential for drops, since those areas are mainly 6-person areas (I think). Fourth, not many people that use forums play those areas anymore. And even less pay attention to the white items, since they should be easiest to find. Most go straight to merchant. In the end, we don't know atm. It might be that they still drop, a screenshot will appear someday. Or they might not drop anymore, so no screenshot will ever appear. But no screenshot does not mean they don't drop anymore...

Feb 15, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27	#40
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	I personally think the only post needed now in this thread is a screen shot. No other personal oppinions really matter at this piont, either you can post proof that they do indeed drop now or you can't.